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Book Review: Junkyard Wisdom

junkyard-wisdomRoy Goble is my friend. The first day I met him, I hated him.

Ford Munnerlyn, Roy Goble, me - probably 1979 in Sunol CA
Ford Munnerlyn, Roy Goble, me – probably 1979 in Sunol CA

We met in 1977 as incoming freshman at Westmont College. He is a Giants fan; I bleed Dodger blue. One of the first things we did together was play catch. We have done a lot of things together since then and I no longer hate him (I really never hated him; we just irritate each other). All of that to say that I know Roy and therefore can say some things in this review that are first hand.

Roy is generous. An anecdote: we were each other’s best man. I married in July of 81; he in September of 81. We started our families at the same time. He went into Real Estate and I went into pastoral ministry, that is, he made money and I didn’t. Soon after the birth of our first born, Roy sent me a check for a significant amount of money (more than $20). After the second born, another check. After our third, another check. After the fourth, the standard amount + $500 with a note: “here is an additional $500, get fixed, I can’t afford this.”

Roy is smart. Roy is straightforward. Roy is bold. This is why I turn to him for advice when I need it – only a few times in my life –  and why I listen to what he has to say.

Those are all good reasons for you to read his new book: Junkyard Wisdom: Resisting the Whisper of Wealth in a World of Broken Parts.

Every person who lives in the US is wealthy on the global scale.  Roy writes for those of us who want to live lives that see beyond personal gratification and gain a perspective on how to be wise about how we manage the resources we have in abundance. Written in a direct, uncomplicated way Roy gives us a road map for maximizing our impact with wealth.

The story is told in ripple format, a modern take on ancient Hebrew chiasm. As Roy tells the story it ripples out from the junkyard to the ends of the world, he invites you to experience the ripples yourself. You can learn his lessons and apply them so that you too can fix some broken parts in our world.

Roy ends the book with apologies, as opposed to thanks, and here is a final apology: “I’m sorry this book can’t fully express the things Jesus has taught me. I tried my best, but only a few of the pages even hint at the amazing opportunities we will find if we dare to resist the whisper of wealth, tear down the walls between us, and begin loving our neighbor as God calls us to.”

I am recommending this book to all my friends who have money. That is you if you are reading this post.

Buy the book. Read the book. Share the wealth.

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Roy wrote a guest post on this blog entitled The Riches of Grace.

You can follow him on Twitter, Facebook, Google + or just call him, here is his cell phone number….555-555-5555.

Look up and involve yourself in some of Roy’s investments: Pathlight  – an educational enterprise aimed at reducing poverty in Belize and Jaguar Creek a place to stay in Belize and be filled with awe through a truly unique experience that adds positive value to  local communities.

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No, They Don’t Happen in Threes.

three-stoogesWhenever famous people die it comes up.

“Things happen in threes.”

It is called “triaphilia” – an obsession with three. But, really, they don’t.

Is it David Bowie, Alan Rickman, and Glenn Frey? Or do we include:

  • Clarence Reid, R&B Singer known as “Blowfly”
  • Mic Gillette of Tower of Power
  • Lemmy
  • Dale “Buffin” Griffin
  • Celine Dion’s brother
  • Lawrence Phillips
  • Ashraf Pahlavi?

Death happens every day. 150,000 people die every day. 56 million deaths a year. 3.9 billion within 70 years. In 100 years every person alive today will be dead.

I guess saying that it happens in threes lessens the reality of death.

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The Five Temples in the Bible

Most people rightly see two Temples in the Bible.  The first would be the temple constructed by Solomon in 1 Kings and the second would be the Temple of Jesus’ day, originally constructed by the returning exiles under beginning with Ezra/Nehemiah and extensively remodeled by Herod.  They are typically referred to as Solomon’s Temple and the Second Temple (or Herod’s Temple).  IN reality there are at least 5 “temples” in the Bible.  Here are the 5 temples referenced in the Bible: 
1. The Garden
2. The Tabernacle
3. Solomon’s Temple, The “First” Temple
4. Herod’s Temple, The “Second” Temple
5. The Church
Two thoughts to form as a foundation for our brief look at temples in the Bible.  First, Hebrews 9:23 says that the Temple and Temple furniture were “copies of the things in the heavens.”  Second it was common for ancient temples (not just the Jewish temple but many ancient temples) to use the “cosmos” or the universe as the architectural inspiration.  The idea was that the heavens (dwelling of the gods) and the earth (dwelling of man) met in the temple.  Temples were replications of “the heavens and the earth.”
The First Temple:  The Garden
The first three chapters of the Bible contain the creation and fall accounts.  The famous opening of the Bible:  In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth invite us to look at the creation as initially encompassing the two realms.  God doesn’t need a place to live, so the heavens as a reference to God’s dwelling place would more be referencing his touch point with humanity and creation.  He creates the heavens and earth as the initial and prototypical temple.  A place where God meets with and walks with His people.
In Genesis 3:8 we see God looking for Adam and Eve after they sinned.  This implies a pattern of meeting.  Adam and Eve anticipated His coming and hid.  The appearance of God occurs in the cool of the Evening, corresponding with the later practice of evening sacrifices (Psalm 141:2 May my prayer be counted as incense before You; The lifting up of my hands as the evening offering).  This practice may have evolved into what we see as the time of prayer in Acts 3:1 Now Peter and John were going up to the temple at the ninth hour, the hour of prayer.  Since a predominant symbol of the temple was the presence of God, the Garden may be seen as a sort of a temple.
An apparently random reference in the creation/fall account is the information about the location of the Garden:
10 Now a river flowed out of Eden to water the garden; and from there it divided and became four rivers.
11 The name of the first is Pishon; it flows around the whole land of Havilah, where there is gold.
12 The gold of that land is good; the bdellium and the onyx stone are there.
13 The name of the second river is Gihon; it flows around the whole land of Cush.
14 The name of the third river is Tigris; it flows east of Assyria. And the fourth river is the Euphrates. (Genesis 2:10-14)
There are three options for us to consider when attempting to understand the inclusion of this information. Like all information like this in the Bible, it can hold literal value for us (locating the actual garden, the statement being, this is a real place) or symbolic value (rivers and precious stones and metals stand for something meaningful beyond the literal) or both.  For our purposes here I want to emphasize the symbolic value, especially as it relates to temples, and the especially how it connects us to the end of the Bible and John’s symbolic attachments to the New Jerusalem.
The building blocks of temples are precious metals and stones (see 1 Corinthians 3:12, where Paul makes mention of the appropriate building materials for a temple).  So possibly this seemingly extraneous detail is intended for us to think about the Garden as having temple properties.
When Adam and Eve are expelled from the garden, angelic guards are placed at the east entrance to Eden.  Angelic figures also decorate the Holy of Holies, as the cherubim surround the mercy seat of the  Ark of the Covenant.  The tabernacle and temple along with their articles contained many representations of cherubim (Exodus 25:17-22; 26:1, 31;36:8; 1 Kings 6:23-35; 7:29-36; 8:6-7; 1 Chronicles 28:18; 2 Chronicles 3:7-14; 2 Chronicles 3:10-13; 5:7-8; Hebrews 9:5).  In Solomon’s Temple there were two cherubim 10 cubits high (About 14 feet high) that served as guards to the inner sanctuary.
The entrance is to the east, as was the entrance into the Temple.  If the Garden is a temple, then the tree of life/knowledge of good and evil in the center corresponds with the inner sanctuary, God’s dwelling.  The sentence of death is the expulsion from God’s presence (spiritual death). The Cherubim restrict entry into the presence of God.  Sin has caused a separation.
Finally, if we move forward in the story, the first account we have after expulsion is the sacrifices of Cain and Abel.  The connect here is that without sacrifice we don’t gain access back into the presence of God.  I could surmise that the sacrifices take place at the entrance to the Garden.  Cain and Abel are appealing to God for forgiveness; there is an appropriate and inappropriate form of sacrifice.
All of these items lead us to see the connection between the Garden and the Temple.  The Garden is in fact the temple prototype; it is the heavens and earth.
The Second Temple: The Tabernacle
The Tabernacle is the first man made structure to represent the heavens and the earth (the place where heaven and earth meet).  Detailed instructions are given for the construction of the Tabernacle in Exodus 25-30 or so and a detailed almost identical accounting of the construction of the temple is given in chapters 35-40.
The Tabernacle could also be referred to as Moses’ temple. The only significant difference is in the mobile nature of the structure.  The architectural features as far as layout remain the same.  The major idea associated with this temple would be as a symbol of God’s presence with His people and as their guide to the promised land. Up until now the nation followed the “presence” of God as fire and cloud.  In order for God to “be” with His people they were to follow His instructions for building the Tabernacle.
Here we have been given the layout for all future Israelite temples.  An inner sanctuary (Holy of Holies) where God dwells.  The Temple proper, the sanctuary known as the Holy Place.  A courtyard surrounded (and protected) the Sanctuary.  In this courtyard was a brazen altar for sacrifices and a laver which contained water for ceremonial washing.  The entrance to the court of the Tabernacle was to the east.  The person offering the sacrifices would not go beyond the altar, he would hand over his sacrifices to the priests who would offer it up for him in the tent/sanctuary proper.
When Moses completed the construction…
then the cloud covered the tent of meeting, and the glory of the LORD filled the tabernacle.  35 Moses was not able to enter the tent of meeting because the cloud had settled on it, and the glory of the LORD filled the tabernacle.  36 Throughout all their journeys whenever the cloud was taken up from over the tabernacle, the sons of Israel would set out;  37 but if the cloud was not taken up, then they did not set out until the day when it was taken up.  38 For throughout all their journeys, the cloud of the LORD was on the tabernacle by day, and there was fire in it by night, in the sight of all the house of Israel. (Exodus 40:34-38)
The Third Temple:  Solomon’s Temple (commonly referred to as the First Temple)
The description of the building of the Temple of Solomon is found in 1 Kings 5-9.
The description of the temple in the account of the building is “house.”  This is an emphasis on God’s dwelling, in these passages in contrast and corresponding to the fact that Solomon built himself a house.
The building materials of the Temple were Cedar and Cypress wood imported at great human cost from Lebanon; great and costly stones, and gold (Trees, stones, gold, remind us of Eden).  The whole house is said to be overlaid in gold (I Kings 6:22).  There are descriptions in this section of carvings that resembled “gourds and flowers”  (1 Kings 6:18) reminiscent of a garden.   The doors of the Sanctuary  So he made two doors of olive wood, and he carved on them carvings of cherubim, palm trees, and open flowers, and overlaid them with gold; and he spread the gold on the cherubim and on the palm trees (1 Kings 6:32). Again, the garden connection is obvious.
When the priests come out of the sanctuary after depositing the ark of the covenant there we read this description:
10 It happened that when the priests came from the holy place, the cloud filled the house of the LORD,
11 so that the priests could not stand to minister because of the cloud, for the glory of the LORD filled the house of the LORD.
12 Then Solomon said, “The LORD has said that He would dwell in the thick cloud.
13 “I have surely built You a lofty house, A place for Your dwelling forever.”
 (1 Kings 8:10-13)
This is a clear reminder of the Tabernacle and the elements of presence and guidance.  Along with the building of the temple comes the following dire warning:
3 The LORD said to him, “I have heard your prayer and your supplication, which you have made before Me; I have consecrated this house which you have built by putting My name there forever, and My eyes and My heart will be there perpetually.
 4 “As for you, if you will walk before Me as your father David walked, in integrity of heart and uprightness, doing according to all that I have commanded you and will keep My statutes and My ordinances,
 5 then I will establish the throne of your kingdom over Israel forever, just as I promised to your father David, saying, ‘You shall not lack a man on the throne of Israel.’
 6 “But if you or your sons indeed turn away from following Me, and do not keep My commandments and My statutes which I have set before you, and go and serve other gods and worship them,
 7 then I will cut off Israel from the land which I have given them, and the house which I have consecrated for My name, I will cast out of My sight. So Israel will become a proverb and a byword among all peoples.
 8 “And this house will become a heap of ruins; everyone who passes by will be astonished and hiss and say, ‘Why has the LORD done thus to this land and to this house?’
 9 “And they will say, ‘Because they forsook the LORD their God, who brought their fathers out of the land of Egypt, and adopted other gods and worshiped them and served them, therefore the LORD has brought all this adversity on them.'”
 (1 Kings 9:3-9)
This dire warning is realized in the destruction of the Temple of Solomon in 587 BC by Nebuchadnezzar and the Babylonians.
The Fourth Temple:  Herod’s Temple (Commonly known as the Second Temple)
This temple was built in the years after the Exile from Babylon, starting around 538 BC.  Herod began an extensive rebuilding project around 20 BC that lasted around 40 years.  This would be the temple that Jesus walked in and prophesied about.
The Temple’s return to glory would have boosted the morale of a centuries long oppressed people.  Israel had undergone very little self determination and suffered under the rule of multiple foreign nations.  The Temple would have given the people a rising confidence and expectation of a return to glory.  The disciples certainly would have thought that Jesus, if he was the messiah, would lead them back to prominence.
The Olivet Discourse begins with the disciples marveling at the beauty of the temple.
Jesus came out from the temple and was going away when His disciples came up to point out the temple buildings to Him.
 2 And He said to them, “Do you not see all these things? Truly I say to you, not one stone here will be left upon another, which will not be torn down.”
 3 As He was sitting on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to Him privately, saying, “Tell us, when will these things happen, and what will be the sign of Your coming, and of the end of the age?”
 (Matthew 24:1-3)
This revelation would have been devastating, disconcerting, and confusing to the disciples.  These words of Jesus were words of judgment; a repetition of the warning to Solomon in 1 Kings 8-9 and the message of the Prophets.  Jesus tells his disciples that his pronouncement of judgment would come to pass within a generation (normally a generation was approximately 40 years).  Herod’s Temple was destroyed by the Roman armies under the leadership of Titus in AD 70.
The destruction of the Temple marked the end of an age, the age marked by the Old Covenant and the status of the nation and Temple (the religious structure of Israel).  They no longer serve as the vehicle for God’s presence to be made manifest in the world.  God shuts the door by destroying the Temple.  Israel rejects Messiah and break their covenant with Yahweh.  This leads to the creation of a new Temple by Christ.
The Fifth Temple:  The Church
The Church is the final “Temple” of God.  Three significant passages can be referenced here, passages that explicitly identify the Church as the Temple of God.
The first one is 1 Corinthians 3:9-16
 9 For we are God’s fellow workers; you are God’s field, God’s building.
 10 According to the grace of God which was given to me, like a wise master builder I laid a foundation, and another is building on it. But each man must be careful how he builds on it. \
 16 Do you not know that you are a temple of God and that the Spirit of God dwells in you? (1Corinthians 3:9, 10, 16)
The “you” in verse 16 are plural.  They are not referring to individual Christians who are independent temples, rather the church as a whole is being built into a temple.
Second would be Ephesians 2:19-22:
 19 So then you are no longer strangers and aliens, but you are fellow citizens with the saints, and are of God’s household,
 20 having been built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus Himself being the corner stone,
 21 in whom the whole building, being fitted together, is growing into a holy temple in the Lord,
 22 in whom you also are being built together into a dwelling of God in the Spirit.
This passage emphasizes the universal nature of the Church from a national perspective, it includes both Jews and Gentiles.
Third is 1 Peter 2:4-10
 4 And coming to Him as to a living stone which has been rejected by men, but is choice and precious in the sight of God,
 5 you also, as living stones, are being built up as a spiritual house for a holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ.
 6 For this is contained in Scripture: “BEHOLD, I LAY IN ZION A CHOICE STONE, A PRECIOUS CORNER stone, AND HE WHO BELIEVES IN HIM WILL NOT BE DISAPPOINTED.”
 7 This precious value, then, is for you who believe; but for those who disbelieve, “THE STONE WHICH THE BUILDERS REJECTED, THIS BECAME THE VERY CORNER stone,”
 8 and, “A STONE OF STUMBLING AND A ROCK OF OFFENSE”; for they stumble because they are disobedient to the word, and to this doom they were also appointed.
 9 But you are A CHOSEN RACE, A royal PRIESTHOOD, A HOLY NATION, A PEOPLE FOR God’s OWN POSSESSION, so that you may proclaim the excellencies of Him who has called you out of darkness into His marvelous light;
 10 for you once were NOT A PEOPLE, but now you are THE PEOPLE OF GOD; you had NOT RECEIVED MERCY, but now you have RECEIVED MERCY.
Each believer is referred to as a living stone, together being built into a spiritual house where spiritual sacrifices are made.  This is a clear reference to a temple.
The Temple references in Revelation
A reading of Revelation 21 and 22 in light of this is a description of a temple using all the forms of temple listed above.  There are Garden references, Tabernacle references, Temple building references, and church references throughout the passage.  It is a clear matching bookend to Genesis 1-3.
This new temple is magnificent and in the others pale in comparison.
It is called the new heavens and new earth in 21:1.
There is no sea here (sea would be a symbol of chaos and evil, it would also represent distance from God – an uncrossable barrier). 21:1
The New Jerusalem, the home of the Temple, is described as a bride.  The bride is the church, which is the fifth temple (21:2)
It is called the tabernacle in 21:3.
John hears a voice which says that he will show John the bride of the lamb, then proceeds to describe the Bride as the new Jerusalem and describes here with a picture of a high wall, 12 gates on every side (lots of access points as opposed to just one guarded access point), jewels in the walls and finally no physical temple because the Lord God almighty and the Lamb are its temple (21:22).
Chapter 22 has strong Garden analogies:  Rivers, Trees, No Curse. The Throne of God is in this garden.  
Revelation 21-22 is the classic and extreme mixed metaphor.  All of the temple symbolism is wrapped up in this ultimate description of the desire of and purpose of God in restoring his original creative purpose. The Five Temples find their summary in Revelation 21-22.  God is directly present with His people. 

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Murder in a Small Town

Yesterday two people out for a walk on a familiar stretch of Nuevo, a mother and daughter, were brutally stabbed to death.

We are exposed to murder in abundance in our culture:  Real murders on the news, dramatic portrayals on television, in movies, in books, in music, in video games.  It is pervasive. When it strikes close to home, it all takes on a different, more real impact.  It breaks through the “distance” we usually experience with a murder.  When there is a “connection,” it now invades my world.

How should we respond to a murder in a small town, or a murder in our neighborhood? Here are 6 ways to respond:

  1. The first response is compassion.  Real people lost real loved ones.  These aren’t actors.  A husband and brother lost a wife, and a mother, and a sister, and a daughter.  No matter what other emotion tries to climb to the top of your emotional staircase, compassion is the right one to feed.
  2. The second response is to keep your feet firmly planted in reality.  We are still the same community that we were last week.  This isn’t the first crime committed in our town.  Murders occur in towns of every stripe, because people live there.  You should always be aware of your surroundings and be discerning when odd circumstances or individuals present themselves, not just in the week following a crime.  Don’t jump to conclusions when you don’t know the whole story.
  3. Justice will be done.  We have great law enforcement officers.  I know several of them.  They are equipped to do all that you want done, to catch the person responsible and bring him to justice.  So direct your justice meter in this direction.  And the next time you see a police officer in your rear view mirror or on the side of the road or at Starbucks, thank God for them and pray for their instincts, wisdom, and safety.
  4. Don’t let fear dominate your days and decisions. I was so encouraged to see one of the “regular” walkers out this morning on my way into the office.  I know it is a temptation to be distrustful of every stranger, to hole yourself up in your house, or to stop your normal routine.  Resist the temptation.  Behave reasonably with discernment and take necessary precautions, but don’t be afraid.
  5. Get to know your neighbors.  Interestingly enough, in our small town, not everyone knows each other. One of the news reports characterized Nuevo as a town where everyone knows one another. It really isn’t true.  Our community, like most American communities, pride themselves on individual space and privacy.  I didn’t know this family personally, but they live in the same community so it is geographically personal.  The more we know each other and are concerned about one another the better off we will be.  It may not have made any difference in this instance (some things are out of our control which is what makes it so disconcerting), but it is a safer place when there is neighborhood awareness and concern.
  6. Pray.  There is a lot of pain and suffering.  Pray that you would have opportunity to be God’s instrument of love, encouragement, and truth.  Pray for a family grieving.  Pray for a family that will be embarrassed, ashamed, and burdened by the guilt of a crime that cannot be undone.  When God appears to be absent, His people need to be present.

Last.  Someone knows the perpetrator. The best thing that could happen to him is that he be caught and brought to justice.  Don’t make the mistake of thinking that he needs protection from the proper authorities and prosecution.

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An Open Letter To All Americans

This letter was written by “Religious Leaders” to “All Americans.”

In light of my post yesterday entitled “An Evangelical Papacy?” I thought it would be appropriate to comment on this letter – not so much on its content and whether or not I would sign or agree with it, but rather the relationship between this sort of action and the action of the anonymous group in Houston who endorsed Republican Rick Santorum this last weekend.  

The issue raised in these two activities is how the church, pastor, religious leader impacts the culture.  The letter and the weekend endorsement meeting represent two different approaches to how to impact culture.  Today is Martin Luther King Day, and maybe the most famous open letter of our era was written by King from a Birmingham Jail.  I would submit that the “open letter” approach is a good and healthy approach for “Religious Leaders.”

BUT, the actions of ministers and religious leaders in endorsing candidates is not.  In fact, not only is it not a good and healthy approach, I would submit that it is wrong and destructive to the inherent power of the clergy/church resident in their holy and righteous voice.  When we write an open letter, or challenge a system to which we have demonstrated partisan allegiance, the effort is eviscerated of holy power.  

Here is how pastors and churches can impact their culture.  Go back to your church and your community and reach out to the people in the neighborhoods surrounding your church geographically.  Stop trying to be “national” or “significant” in the eyes of the media.  Stop trying to manipulate the political structures by getting into bed with politicians.  

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Politicians are Not Leaders

Politicians are not leaders.

This is not a disputable statement.  Politicians are driven by public opinion, self interest, and those who fill the coffers with cash.

This is the challenge of democracy.  Madison wrote “To suppose that any form of government will secure liberty or happiness without any virtue in the people is a chimerical idea.”  

The problem is that government by the people and for the people is a dicey enterprise because it is dependent upon the values of the people.  Living in a relativistic and self-serving moral climate leads to relativistic and self-serving politicians.  They grow out of the soil of culture.  And the ironic twist is that we get what we are.  If you are expecting something different from politics then you simply don’t understand human nature.  Madison hit the nail on the head.  His comment is especially true of a representative form of government in a democracy.

We believe in pragmatism, individualism, and tolerance.  Those three values mitigate against the government we want.

Pragmatism says that we pursue the expedient, that which works – not necessarily over the long haul.  So like our personal lives, politicians make decisions which solve short term problems with the most satisfactory short term result (the hope of re-election or personal profit).  Pragmatism says ANYTHING during an election cycle that will get the candidate elected.

Individualism says that we watch out for ourselves.  Hook this together with pragmatism and the politician has the enormous challenge of finding solutions that serve the public good hidden like the proverbial needle in the haystack of his own moral confusion.  Politicians look out for their own best interests because politics has become a career, a competition and an investment in their future.

Tolerance says that every view, voice or expression is equally valid.  It is the crowning achievement of relativism. It has crept into our culture in weird expressions.  In youth sports we put up with the contradictory categories of losers being winners.  “Everyone wins” becomes the motto as we foolishly hand out trophies to the last place team.  Our collective voice mumbles silently, “if everyone wins then no one wins”.  In politics it challenges any legitimate moral standard that of necessity must be upheld.  It is why we are trying to legitimize homosexual marriage; it doesn’t make “sense” but everyone needs to win.

Vote on November 2, but recognize that we will get what we have cultivated in our corporate value structure and  politicians are products of those values – most are built in and are controlling.  If you expect something different, you are naive.  If you want to change things we have to address the core values of our culture.

Call me a pessimist, a skeptic or whatever you like, Politicians are not leaders.  They are pragmatic individualists who will say or do anything to further their careers and futures and have the freedom to sway in the wind of their relativism, or as James put it – be tossed to and fro by every wind of doctrine.

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Questions for God

Our Sunday night gathering here at NCC is called “The Well” and for the summer we have been doing a question and answer format covering apologetic, theological, social, personal and biblical categories.  Here are some of the questions from the last few weeks:

  • What is absolutely necessary for salvation? Is saying the prayer enough? How much does a person have to understand?
  • Is abortion or adoption mentioned in the bible?
  • Is abortion a sin?
  • When do you believe life begins?
  • …about abortion. what if its a rape victim?
  • Can you lose your salvation
  • Why is God depicted as male in the Bible and in the incarnation of the son? Is that more than how he would be received in Jewish culture?
  • How can people claim to be christians if they bomb abortion clinics? They claim that abortion clinics kill babies, but they aren’t wrong by killing those clinic workers?
  • Will god ever forgive Satan
  • if god knows everything did he know that satan was going to turn on him
  • ive heard that when god returns he will return with firre, is that true and if so will he burn all the nonbelievers
  • is it possible really repent when you have done something knowing you are going to repent afterward? can there be real repentance?
  • Will pigs ever fly?
  • How do you truly repent?
  • How was your watermelon?

Our questions left over we still have to tackle:

  • Why do we who are called saints still sin?
  • What does God think about dating? We are given directions about marriage. But what about relationships that are romantic but are not married or necessarily headed that way? Is there a place/guidelines for an undefined romance?
  • Does the Bible say anything about defense of ones self? people keep using the example of killing being ok when it is in defended of ones self (or nation) I just keep thinking of what Jesus did when he was attacked, he submitted.  Is standing up for ourselves a Christian idea or is that a human instinct?
  • Hey is it a sin! to eat! BEARS?
  • Explain predestination
  • Can you be baptized more than once?
  • Mathew 6:25 stats that God does not want us to worry about what we where or eat, does this mean doing so is considered a sin?
  • What makes drugs bad? Does the Bible itself shun it? Is it because it is bad for your health? Or is it bad because its illegal?

See you this Sunday night for some good singing and spiritual stimulation…

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